Guild Sabotage! Anet Staff and Fellow GUILD LEADERS TAKE NOTE!! - Guild Wars Forums

Midori Angelica · May 27, 2005, 06:44 AM // 06:44

My guild, Sacred Asian Alliance, is a guild that has been formed since 29th April and currently have over 60 members.

Recently, actually today, my guild was involved in an EXTREMELY malicious act of sabotage.

One of the members, xxxxxxxxxxxx, went to our guild hall and got a team of 7 henchmen and went ahead to conduct over 15 guild battles! ALL which he purposely lost. This was evidenced by by fellow guild officers who happened to be in the guild hall at that moment and noticed him popping back to the guild hall every few seconds, run to the henchmen and disappear again!

This has caused our ranking to drop tenfold and we are now unfortunately ranked over 1,400....

I am writing this to alert the community out there that there are such people around who do go around spoiling other peoples' games on purpose.

I have a couple of suggestions that I hope Anet can take note of and implement it sooner rather than later:

1)Guild Battles to be initiated only by Guild Leader and Guild Officers.

I find this to be very appropriate as no one in a guild will want someone who has no experience taking on the hordes of experienced players out there. Akin to a similar war, will an army officer allow his corporal to lead his friends out to fight a battle? I don't think so. I know that some of you may say that it serves me right for getting players like that into my guild, but I believe that the guild member who you played with for 5 hours and like him may have a similar tendency to be able to commit such a heinous act. ( you never know what a person is capable of doing).

2) Only GUILD LEADER have the right to appoint officers. This is an independant case but I believe that fellow officers should not be allowed to appoint fellow members to the rank of officer. This should be a priviledge only the leader should enjoy.

3) All guild battles to be logged. (Time of battle, team leader of each guild for battle involved). This is to allow ease of identification of the person responsible for guild battle initiations that are conducted without permission.

Anyone out there who have any comments on this are free to comment or criticise.

All i know is that my guild has been burnt by this experience and we do not wish the same fate to befall other guilds.

Leventh · May 27, 2005, 07:19 AM // 07:19

i agree to this, but i still think unrated should be able to be started by anyone in the guild.

Midori Angelica · May 27, 2005, 08:56 AM // 08:56

Yes, if it is unrated, I am sure no guild leader will mind as it lets the members train in a realistic environment without fear of the matches being rated.

So Rated matches are leader and officers exclusive while

Unrated can be initiated by anyone

Dred Skullord · May 27, 2005, 06:28 PM // 18:28

Get a new sigil and start over. Sorry to hear that happened to you.

nechronius · May 27, 2005, 07:18 PM // 19:18

Combine the lack of any real repercussion on the internet for something other than a "real" crime, the pseudo anonimity of the medium, and the lack of a "you must be this mature to play this game" standard and you have the makings of a volatile environment.

A good reputation is hard to come by, especially one that was earned through hard work whether in a "virtual" world or not, so it really hurts to see incidents like this make things harder on people.

Artanis III · May 27, 2005, 11:45 PM // 23:45

I was online yesterday when someone was running around asking if anyone knew who this person was that did this to your record. At first I thought is was very childish for someone to run around saying "Someone went into a guild battle with out the guild leaders permission" and that was before I heard all the details.

Here is how I see it. It is unfortunate you spent a lot of time building up your reputation in the guild world and someone would just either knowingly or unknowingly conducted guild battles and destroy everything you and other members worked hard to build. To me seems kind of crappy.

But (and there is always a but)
You said you have been around since the 29th of April that???s a little under a month with 60 members. That means you recruit an average of 2 members a day. Mature or not mature it don???t matter as long as they join. I would venture to bet you haven???t played with even half of your members. This to me is not a guild, this to me is someone who can run around and say my guild is bigger than yours.

If you decide to create another guild keep this in mind it is not the size of the guild but the quality of the people you surround yourself with. You can have a great guild and achieve everything you want in this game at 10 or 20 dedicated people.

So in my opinion and don???t take this the wrong way but I believe you may be partly responsible for what happened because your own bad recruiting practices.

MoMan · May 28, 2005, 03:39 AM // 03:39

Your in luck my friend, check the guild wars official web site (www.guildwars.com) and on the upcoming updates you will find the following:

"In order to start a guild battle -- to either issue or accept a challenge -- we will require that at least one guild officer be present on each team. This system will help guilds protect their rating by removing the potential for malicious or careless actions on the part of a guild member."

Minwanabi · May 28, 2005, 05:29 AM // 05:29

How did he get 7 henchies? Do you mean 4 henchies? There aren't the full compliment of henchies available in guild hall.

katarn22 · May 28, 2005, 11:42 AM // 11:42

Hey everyone, first time poster, long time watcher. But anyways, you got your wish dude! Check the future updates page on www.guildwars.com. Glad actually listen to suggestions unlike other games I've played.

Makkert · May 28, 2005, 12:18 PM // 12:18

yeah. just read it. brilliant, finally they are going to seperate Europe servers by language. that's great!

Drakharran Zealot · May 28, 2005, 02:12 PM // 14:12

... I love Guild Wars even more now.

Nichos Katran · May 28, 2005, 05:57 PM // 17:57

I, as a fellow guild leader, am appauled that people actually take amusement in ruining other people's hard work. Luckily, my guild has about 30 members, but we are yet to obtain a guild hall because we are building a team to win the HoH instead of buying a sigil like many guilds. When I recruit, I ensure all members read the code of conduct, and I watch their behaviour on the forums before adding them in game, thus to ensure they are actually of a mature mind.

Sorry to hear about your rank drop, posting here will make all of us aware, thank you

Cerby · May 28, 2005, 10:40 PM // 22:40

Same thing is happening to us, happened right after we merged with another guild, sadly they all had to be removed because no one would fess up to it. But it is only a number, and can be fixed in no time at all. I can't wait for the fix though.

S{R}Raptor · May 30, 2005, 05:28 AM // 05:28

Sounds like what you want is TWL (Team Warfare League) www.teamwarfare.com. The Halo clan im in plays matches in it, and the rules are very strict, but since people still manage to cheat and the fact that most of us in the clan are in highschool it is hard to have good scheduled matches and have enough time to practice. TWL works great if you have a big enough clan and good members, for halo anyway, to actually win or go down fighting a good match.

Im thinking of starting my own guild, and recruiting from cities is kind of dumb. Go on missions with people and then try them out. The people i my friends list are the ones that i played in missions with and had a good time.

Isnt it only possible to be in one guild at a time, but you can have 2 characters in the same account but be in 2 different guilds?

Crom the Conqueror · May 30, 2005, 06:40 AM // 06:40

Your problem is over or will be over soon. If I remember correctly, now ro maybe in the next update, a guild officer must be in a team inorder for that team to fight in GvG battles. Looks like it is not just you.

Rushing Wind · May 30, 2005, 06:50 AM // 06:50

#1 - You got your answer and its been shown by a few others already.

#2 - What in the world are officers good for if they don't even have a little bit of responsibility. Not being able to promote seems kinda harsh. Why not talk it out instead of just let players jump in (after being assigned officer by you) and do whatever the hell they want. This sounds like an issue that is internal. Looks like there is a bit of cleaning up to do.

#3 - Great idea and hope it too becomes added in along with #1 on the new updates or at least in the near future.

the geckooo · Jun 02, 2005, 12:58 PM // 12:58

this promblem was fixed with update =)

Dred Skullord · Jun 08, 2005, 09:27 PM // 21:27

Too bad about the guild ladder. It now just goes to 1000, so you need an above average record to be listed.

Ardus Shadowmane · Jun 10, 2005, 12:08 AM // 00:08

I'm lucky with my guild. At the moment we're small (8 members) and made up of fellow workers in the strip mall I'm in as well as family members I've cajoled into getting their own copy of GW. My plan is to appoint 6 of them officers, and the way we plan on recruiting is to have each person had a team of those looking for a guild, then recommending to me who we accept. Based on what they say, I'll decide whether to let this person is.

I know that's not 100% effective in keeping out the jerks, but at least it's some kind of filter. You can usually tell what kind of a player someone is when you're in a PUG with them.

Unknown Ninja · Jan 19, 2006, 03:08 PM // 15:08

Ty im am very glad that u alerted us of this. Sorry about what happened to you.

May 28, 2005, 11:42 AM // 11:42	#9
katarn22 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Jersey Guild: Just Friends (JF) Profession: R/Mo	You got your wish. Hey everyone, first time poster, long time watcher. But anyways, you got your wish dude! Check the future updates page on www.guildwars.com. Glad actually listen to suggestions unlike other games I've played.

May 27, 2005, 06:44 AM // 06:44	#1
Midori Angelica Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2005	Guild Sabotage! Anet Staff and Fellow GUILD LEADERS TAKE NOTE!! My guild, Sacred Asian Alliance, is a guild that has been formed since 29th April and currently have over 60 members. Recently, actually today, my guild was involved in an EXTREMELY malicious act of sabotage. One of the members, xxxxxxxxxxxx, went to our guild hall and got a team of 7 henchmen and went ahead to conduct over 15 guild battles! ALL which he purposely lost. This was evidenced by by fellow guild officers who happened to be in the guild hall at that moment and noticed him popping back to the guild hall every few seconds, run to the henchmen and disappear again! This has caused our ranking to drop tenfold and we are now unfortunately ranked over 1,400.... I am writing this to alert the community out there that there are such people around who do go around spoiling other peoples' games on purpose. I have a couple of suggestions that I hope Anet can take note of and implement it sooner rather than later: 1)Guild Battles to be initiated only by Guild Leader and Guild Officers. I find this to be very appropriate as no one in a guild will want someone who has no experience taking on the hordes of experienced players out there. Akin to a similar war, will an army officer allow his corporal to lead his friends out to fight a battle? I don't think so. I know that some of you may say that it serves me right for getting players like that into my guild, but I believe that the guild member who you played with for 5 hours and like him may have a similar tendency to be able to commit such a heinous act. ( you never know what a person is capable of doing). 2) Only GUILD LEADER have the right to appoint officers. This is an independant case but I believe that fellow officers should not be allowed to appoint fellow members to the rank of officer. This should be a priviledge only the leader should enjoy. 3) All guild battles to be logged. (Time of battle, team leader of each guild for battle involved). This is to allow ease of identification of the person responsible for guild battle initiations that are conducted without permission. Anyone out there who have any comments on this are free to comment or criticise. All i know is that my guild has been burnt by this experience and we do not wish the same fate to befall other guilds.

May 27, 2005, 07:19 AM // 07:19	#2
Leventh Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: michigan Guild: Unforgiven Clan [UF] Profession: R/Me	i agree to this, but i still think unrated should be able to be started by anyone in the guild.

May 27, 2005, 08:56 AM // 08:56	#3
Midori Angelica Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2005	Yes, if it is unrated, I am sure no guild leader will mind as it lets the members train in a realistic environment without fear of the matches being rated. So Rated matches are leader and officers exclusive while Unrated can be initiated by anyone

May 27, 2005, 06:28 PM // 18:28	#4
Dred Skullord Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Neverland Ranch Guild: [GBV] www.GuidedByVoices.net Profession: R/Mo	Get a new sigil and start over. Sorry to hear that happened to you.

May 27, 2005, 07:18 PM // 19:18	#5
nechronius Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southern Cali Guild: Herald of the Storm Profession: W/R	Combine the lack of any real repercussion on the internet for something other than a "real" crime, the pseudo anonimity of the medium, and the lack of a "you must be this mature to play this game" standard and you have the makings of a volatile environment. A good reputation is hard to come by, especially one that was earned through hard work whether in a "virtual" world or not, so it really hurts to see incidents like this make things harder on people.

May 27, 2005, 11:45 PM // 23:45	#6
Artanis III Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2005	I was online yesterday when someone was running around asking if anyone knew who this person was that did this to your record. At first I thought is was very childish for someone to run around saying "Someone went into a guild battle with out the guild leaders permission" and that was before I heard all the details. Here is how I see it. It is unfortunate you spent a lot of time building up your reputation in the guild world and someone would just either knowingly or unknowingly conducted guild battles and destroy everything you and other members worked hard to build. To me seems kind of crappy. But (and there is always a but) You said you have been around since the 29th of April that???s a little under a month with 60 members. That means you recruit an average of 2 members a day. Mature or not mature it don???t matter as long as they join. I would venture to bet you haven???t played with even half of your members. This to me is not a guild, this to me is someone who can run around and say my guild is bigger than yours. If you decide to create another guild keep this in mind it is not the size of the guild but the quality of the people you surround yourself with. You can have a great guild and achieve everything you want in this game at 10 or 20 dedicated people. So in my opinion and don???t take this the wrong way but I believe you may be partly responsible for what happened because your own bad recruiting practices.

May 28, 2005, 03:39 AM // 03:39	#7
MoMan Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	Your in luck my friend, check the guild wars official web site (www.guildwars.com) and on the upcoming updates you will find the following: "In order to start a guild battle -- to either issue or accept a challenge -- we will require that at least one guild officer be present on each team. This system will help guilds protect their rating by removing the potential for malicious or careless actions on the part of a guild member."

May 28, 2005, 05:29 AM // 05:29	#8
Minwanabi Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Michigan	How did he get 7 henchies? Do you mean 4 henchies? There aren't the full compliment of henchies available in guild hall.

May 28, 2005, 12:18 PM // 12:18	#10
Makkert Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Netherlands Guild: The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]	yeah. just read it. brilliant, finally they are going to seperate Europe servers by language. that's great!

May 28, 2005, 02:12 PM // 14:12	#11
Drakharran Zealot Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kanada, eh?	... I love Guild Wars even more now.

May 28, 2005, 05:57 PM // 17:57	#12
Nichos Katran Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada Guild: Eternal Knights Profession: N/Me	I, as a fellow guild leader, am appauled that people actually take amusement in ruining other people's hard work. Luckily, my guild has about 30 members, but we are yet to obtain a guild hall because we are building a team to win the HoH instead of buying a sigil like many guilds. When I recruit, I ensure all members read the code of conduct, and I watch their behaviour on the forums before adding them in game, thus to ensure they are actually of a mature mind. Sorry to hear about your rank drop, posting here will make all of us aware, thank you

May 28, 2005, 10:40 PM // 22:40	#13
Cerby Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	Same thing is happening to us, happened right after we merged with another guild, sadly they all had to be removed because no one would fess up to it. But it is only a number, and can be fixed in no time at all. I can't wait for the fix though.

May 30, 2005, 05:28 AM // 05:28	#14
S{R}Raptor Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Wolves in Exile Profession: W/Mo	Sounds like what you want is TWL (Team Warfare League) www.teamwarfare.com. The Halo clan im in plays matches in it, and the rules are very strict, but since people still manage to cheat and the fact that most of us in the clan are in highschool it is hard to have good scheduled matches and have enough time to practice. TWL works great if you have a big enough clan and good members, for halo anyway, to actually win or go down fighting a good match. Im thinking of starting my own guild, and recruiting from cities is kind of dumb. Go on missions with people and then try them out. The people i my friends list are the ones that i played in missions with and had a good time. Isnt it only possible to be in one guild at a time, but you can have 2 characters in the same account but be in 2 different guilds?

May 30, 2005, 06:40 AM // 06:40	#15
Crom the Conqueror Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: New York Guild: Rage Three D Profession: W/E	Your problem is over or will be over soon. If I remember correctly, now ro maybe in the next update, a guild officer must be in a team inorder for that team to fight in GvG battles. Looks like it is not just you.

May 30, 2005, 06:50 AM // 06:50	#16
Rushing Wind Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Within the dense fog of my own mind Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: W/E	#1 - You got your answer and its been shown by a few others already. #2 - What in the world are officers good for if they don't even have a little bit of responsibility. Not being able to promote seems kinda harsh. Why not talk it out instead of just let players jump in (after being assigned officer by you) and do whatever the hell they want. This sounds like an issue that is internal. Looks like there is a bit of cleaning up to do. #3 - Great idea and hope it too becomes added in along with #1 on the new updates or at least in the near future.

Jun 02, 2005, 12:58 PM // 12:58	#17
the geckooo Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Eternal Rebirth Profession: R/Me	this promblem was fixed with update =)

Jun 08, 2005, 09:27 PM // 21:27	#18
Dred Skullord Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Neverland Ranch Guild: [GBV] www.GuidedByVoices.net Profession: R/Mo	Too bad about the guild ladder. It now just goes to 1000, so you need an above average record to be listed.

Jun 10, 2005, 12:08 AM // 00:08	#19
Ardus Shadowmane Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Guild of the Burning Tree Profession: R/W	I'm lucky with my guild. At the moment we're small (8 members) and made up of fellow workers in the strip mall I'm in as well as family members I've cajoled into getting their own copy of GW. My plan is to appoint 6 of them officers, and the way we plan on recruiting is to have each person had a team of those looking for a guild, then recommending to me who we accept. Based on what they say, I'll decide whether to let this person is. I know that's not 100% effective in keeping out the jerks, but at least it's some kind of filter. You can usually tell what kind of a player someone is when you're in a PUG with them.

Jan 19, 2006, 03:08 PM // 15:08	#20
Unknown Ninja Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: Da Everlasting Avenger Dogs Profession: E/N	Ty im am very glad that u alerted us of this. Sorry about what happened to you.